tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post1181486889225762496..comments2023-11-03T19:05:08.512+11:00Comments on Harry Clarke: Kevin Rudd's 'Me-tooism'Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-78120926696213597452007-10-17T22:08:00.000+10:002007-10-17T22:08:00.000+10:00Perhaps you need to look back at your blog Slim......Perhaps you need to look back at your blog Slim... in support of whyisitso, you DID say "I despise him" - quote unquote, you "despise him, and his many offensive policies and values". If you look "hate" up in the thesaurus I'm sure you'll find the word "despise"... they are one in the same, weasel words indeed. Touché.Selenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12398675322617737157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-35409331173933641762007-10-11T17:03:00.000+10:002007-10-11T17:03:00.000+10:00Harry, you said:"But I still think the Labor lot h...Harry, you said:<BR/><BR/>"But I still think the Labor lot hate harder. The fanaticism of the left worries me partly because it is so strong and partly because it is so irrational."<BR/><BR/>Go and have another look on Tim Blair's blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-39199335604991359302007-10-11T12:31:00.000+10:002007-10-11T12:31:00.000+10:00with respect Harry I have found both howard and Co...with respect Harry I have found both howard and Costello were worse haters than Keating.<BR/><BR/>Remember Access economics. They did costings for the liberals for Hewson. They also did it for ALP when bomber was leader.<BR/><BR/>guess when they decided to discontinue this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-55973998161503923772007-10-11T09:45:00.000+10:002007-10-11T09:45:00.000+10:00Gotta watch that hair trigger whyisitso. You misqu...Gotta watch that hair trigger whyisitso. You misquoted what you thought I said, not what I actually said. "I don't hate Howard" "I despise him".<BR/><BR/>I'll repeat it for your benefit - I don't hate Howard - I despise his <I>values</I>. These are not 'weasel' words. There is a difference. A bit like Jesus when he advised hate the sin not the sinner.<BR/><BR/>You haven't addressed any of the substantive issues I raised - just a lazy dismissive 'left lying deception'.<BR/><BR/>I would have thought that lying deception has been a hallmark of the Howard years, with plausible deniability raised to an artform.<BR/><BR/>Even now - 'I am against the death penalty, but only for some people.' In other words, I support the death penalty. Moral equivalence and intellectual dishonesty of the first order.Slimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02615664013110623397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-13623181399903402222007-10-11T09:00:00.000+10:002007-10-11T09:00:00.000+10:00Slim, I guess the feeling is that Rudd is being di...Slim, I guess the feeling is that Rudd is being dishonest by constantly saying 'me too'. I doubt that is his position but it seems he will say whatever it takes. <BR/><BR/>Generally I agree with the point a number of the commentors have made about Keating. He was 'hated' because of his arrogance and the positive things he did pushed to one side.<BR/><BR/>But I still think the Labor lot hate harder. The fanaticism of the left worries me partly because it is so strong and partly because it is so irrational.<BR/><BR/>Rudd looks like being the next PM. Watch the left seek to attack and devour him once the triumphalism dies down.hchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799594181016858701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-78004384223890557122007-10-11T08:40:00.000+10:002007-10-11T08:40:00.000+10:00just like 96!!Yes people like our Arry always 'for...just like 96!!<BR/><BR/>Yes people like our Arry always 'forget' the hatred directed towards Kesting. It was as venomous after he lost ( witness why Iron Mark called Staley such a name) as it was when he was in power.<BR/><BR/>It is the same in the US. Everyone hates Bush but no-one ever hated ClintonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-3364625719736443992007-10-11T08:37:00.000+10:002007-10-11T08:37:00.000+10:00"I don't hate Howard" "I despise him".How typical ..."I don't hate Howard" "I despise him".<BR/><BR/>How typical of the left. Weasel words. You hate his guts Slim. But like the rest of the left lying deception is your modus operandi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-2642547884375971472007-10-11T07:07:00.000+10:002007-10-11T07:07:00.000+10:00HC,you are losing a bit of logic of late. You are ...HC,<BR/><BR/>you are losing a bit of logic of late. You are constantly complaining about Labor on this that and the next thing (Iraq, for example), and then complaining about me-tooism. There are differences, such as Iraq, environmental policy, workplace policy etc. (note that the Liberal party is getting into me-tooism of Labor on environmental policy). <BR/><BR/>Personally, I think the real complaint should be directed at both parties -- simply offering the same thing (big government Stalin loving conservatives) is not exactly great for democracy. Its no wonder that people are apathetic about it all these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-58197314042022488442007-10-11T00:04:00.000+10:002007-10-11T00:04:00.000+10:00It is completely moral for Rudd to say me-too, so ...It is completely moral for Rudd to say me-too, so we don't have to suffer that coconut headed little creep, his all tip no iceburg treasurer and the racist religious nutcase freak Andrews, among others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-75518969343714596512007-10-10T23:21:00.000+10:002007-10-10T23:21:00.000+10:00HarryHatred is not unique to the left. What about ...Harry<BR/><BR/>Hatred is not unique to the left. What about the hatred of Whitlam and Keating? <BR/><BR/>As far as I can see, the reason voters are running 56-44 in favour of Labor is that the government no longer has any reserves of trust left because the electorate feels cumulatively duped over issues such as IR policy, Tampa, Iraq, AWB and interest rates etc. This is very similar to the loss of trust that emerged with Keating when he deferred promised tax cuts and hiked excise taxes in the 1993 Budget.<BR/><BR/>I seem to recall that Howard adopted a small target strategy in the 1996 election for precisiely that reason - he correctly perceived that the public no longer trusted Keating (and many hated him) and promised that people would be "relaxed and comfortable". Can you remember what the main differences were?<BR/><BR/>Rudd is simply trying to distinguish himself on key issues such as IR and the environment and avoid being wedged on non-key issues. Despite what you say there are key differences on some key issues. <BR/><BR/>Rudd could very well turn out to be a disaster, but it seems the voters are prepared to give him a go as they have grown tired of Howard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-86743121118367287162007-10-10T23:04:00.000+10:002007-10-10T23:04:00.000+10:00Robert Manne put it best last week on Lateline whe...Robert Manne put it best last week on Lateline when he said that the Right so thoroughly dominate the political polemic at the moment that it is pointless for Rudd to make a stand on any number of hot-button issues - he would be crucified - and that it will be three or four years before we really know what Rudd will do and how he will do it.<BR/><BR/>This is perfectly illustrated today by the MSM going off like a frog in a sock over Rudd's reprimand of McClelland's speech against capital punishment, with hysterical claims that Labor is in disarray and that Rudd is an insincere hypocrite when it is Howard's moral ambivalence that is the more important question. He is accused of being morally compromised because he has the same policy as Howard and therefore he is morally weak. WTF??<BR/><BR/>This from a government and cheer squad that wouldn't know a moral stance if it stood on them. Think SEIV X, the AFP sacrifice of the Bali 9, a $300 million donation to a 'terrorist' regime, an illegal war in Iraq while simultaneously working to disallow Iraqi refugees, the neutering of Native Title - the list goes on, but these will do for a start. These are all issues with significant moral and ethical resonance for many people. Howard's dealings in these areas I personally find morally repugnant. So no, I don't hate Howard, and even if I did, I wouldn't regard it as being irrational. I despise him and his many offensive policies and values.<BR/><BR/>Howard apologists such as Paul Kelly, John Roskam and your good self are taking great pains to demonstrate how remarkably similar Rudd and Howard are (the 'me-tooism') - presumably, therefore we should all vote for Howard again. Nice try. But what is noticeably missing from the debate about how Rudd might be different from Howard can be quite simply stated - Rudd couldn't possibly be such a small-minded, backward-looking, mean-spirited, jingoistic, divisive, fear-mongering bastard as Howard is. Anything has got be better than that. Howard has lost the favour of the Australian people. Signs are there that they want a more principled and effective leadership in a whole range of policy areas such as education, health, community infrastructure, foreign affairs, climate change, IR, etc.<BR/><BR/>After more than 11 years team Howard are out of ideas and looking and sounding tired. His supporters are in denial if they think he can come back from this.<BR/><BR/>Personally I'd rather a leader whose values are informed by the Jesuit intellectual traditions of social justice than disciples of dead Austrian economists and the Jesus Wants Me to Be Rich and Not Gay crowd.<BR/><BR/>The first stage is denial. Anger follows. It must be hard to swallow after a decade of political superiority, but it's going to happen and life will not be the same again, for better or worse. Hopefully it will be for the better because it can only get worse under the current mob.Slimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02615664013110623397noreply@blogger.com