tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post8860818845660435913..comments2023-11-03T19:05:08.512+11:00Comments on Harry Clarke: Labor liars on climate changeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-41089410020890477502008-09-06T00:07:00.000+10:002008-09-06T00:07:00.000+10:00I can actually claim to be a Meteorologist, fully ...I can actually claim to be a Meteorologist, fully qualified with over 35 years experience at high level and I can tell you that absolutely everything Harry says is correct and the people who attacked his statement do not understand the issues. Harry does and expresses them very well. His attackers do so on no basis whatsoever. The basic science of greenhouse warming is very clear - what is not known is what the final effect will be, especially on rainfall. Do not believe the current climate models - they may be right, they may be wrong. That doesn't mean we should not be doing anything - we should be.North Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03583126296079659975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-46151785234697208862008-09-04T11:34:00.000+10:002008-09-04T11:34:00.000+10:00My point being, to summarise this "article":Labor ...My point being, to summarise this "article":<BR/><BR/>Labor - Rudd, Wong, Garratt - are incompetent, deceitful, foolish, dangerous, disgracefully evasive, inept, lying liars, ridiculing, mumbling irrelevantly and throwing mud as their opponents.<BR/><BR/>And yet, Liberal are all accurate and correct? Hmm. No bias there. Penny Wong avoided answering a question??? What the? Has a politician EVER answered a bloody question? See how Turnball or Nelson go when asked a question there not comfortable? They too skirt around the sides or stumble.<BR/><BR/>I don't feel its appropriate for commentators to stoop to this level of attack. Harry says, 'oh Penny disgracefully couldn't point to a source', lying, lying wench. (later on in update) CSIRO does have evidence (which I haven't read). Perhaps Penny had been informed the bottom line result but didn't know ALL the details - just like poor Harry here? <BR/><BR/>Except Harry had the advantage to not be put on the spot on television and could add a little "Update" item, when he'd actually gone and found out some facts... Oh but she's a minister I hear you say? Yes, who by design of our political system have very little base knowledge about their ministries. They rely on the departmental advice, and god forbid institutions like the CSIRO.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure who you think is throwing mud Harry, but I think you've thrown a bit yourself. Next time the Rudd Government gets a report from the CSIRO, I'm sure they'll ring you directly and ask if you, Harry, the "Environmental Economist" agrees.<BR/><BR/>I am not saying Labor hasn't politicised or exagerated the subject either, but I have 10 times more confidence in Labor on environmental issues, than Liberal.<BR/><BR/>Anon #1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-57493715465053199972008-09-04T10:09:00.000+10:002008-09-04T10:09:00.000+10:00Ian Castles has weighed in on the aforementioned C...Ian Castles has weighed in on the aforementioned CSIRO reports and claims the models used lack the predictive skill necessary to be useful in policy making:<BR/><BR/>http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7736Tony of South Yarrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04744573704368052597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-18986424520289356762008-09-03T22:59:00.000+10:002008-09-03T22:59:00.000+10:00In repsonse to anon above, Harry is an economist w...In repsonse to anon above, Harry is an economist who feels capable of disagreeing with the CSIRO, the full Federal Court, whatever. Polticians lying, imagine that. The dreadful thing is when people, especially educated people tasked with educating others, believe the lies. Is it tempting the application of 'left wing hysteric' if I resurrect the ghost of Dr Haneef. How you going with that pack of lies and the lying liars who told them Harry?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-78932102256025448892008-09-03T21:35:00.000+10:002008-09-03T21:35:00.000+10:00Harry, I agree that it's too soon to call the MDB ...Harry, I agree that it's too soon to call the MDB drought as due to climate change. But rainfall in south west Western Australia fell dramatically in the early 1980s and has never recovered. The data is in Green Paper. That's not a cyclical drought. Has Nelson acknowledged that the WA situation is due to climate change?<BR/><BR/>All politicians are economical with the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-43420896604382829822008-09-03T21:21:00.000+10:002008-09-03T21:21:00.000+10:00"It is interesting to ask why you make this unsubs..."It is interesting to ask why you make this unsubstantiated claim Mel. Is your claim - assuming it has veracity - somehow intended to diminish the case for criticising Labor?"<BR/><BR/>Not at all. Don't be so cynical. But the message isn't designed for people like you and me, who have a good idea about what's going on. The aim is to provide soundbites for the 90% of the population who are largely switched off.<BR/><BR/>Are seriously suggesting Turnbull is above the game rather than a part of it? Are you serious?Cryptandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02308633666277153594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-72762380783740991552008-09-03T16:25:00.000+10:002008-09-03T16:25:00.000+10:00On harry's update, though, the CSIRO has stated th...On harry's update, though, the CSIRO has stated that the steady decline in autumn rain in south-eastern Australia in the last 50 years is linked <B>in part</B> to AGW - see <A HREF="http://www.csiro.au/news/UnderstandingDeclineAutumnRain.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. But they've nowhere, as far as I can Google, linked it to to a specific drought event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-24745316640624814322008-09-03T16:15:00.000+10:002008-09-03T16:15:00.000+10:00Na, anonymous, harry's right on his particular iss...Na, anonymous, harry's right on his particular issue. And I say that as both a firm believer in the need for strong action on global warming and as someone who thinks water policy has been horrifically botched (I was the "previous commenter").<BR/><BR/>Labor is just doing what pollies do - embarrassing the other side without being too scrupulous as to the underlying facts - but it is disappointing just the same.<BR/><BR/>But harry, which party is it that has been the bulwark of resistance to rational water policy at the behst of its short-sighted constituents? And which government has left Labor this catastrophe to try and deal with? And on which side of the floor in parliament do most of the climate change denialists sit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-22886235475118598122008-09-03T15:57:00.000+10:002008-09-03T15:57:00.000+10:00"If the CSIRO - or anyone else - have made such a ..."If the CSIRO - or anyone else - have made such a claim it is an extremely incautious claim."<BR/><BR/>Good to see an economist debunking our national science institution - what would they know! You cautiously prefix your comments with "from what I've read". <BR/><BR/>Which means you have read very little and know even less.<BR/><BR/>Before accusing others of deception and of being "liars", take a look at your own bias and misrepresentations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-62008563423382249652008-09-03T08:56:00.000+10:002008-09-03T08:56:00.000+10:00Harry, I don't know whether you read my blog or no...Harry, I don't know whether you read my blog or not, but I have for a couple of years argued that ocean acidification alone is sufficient reason for strong greenhouse gas cuts, regardless of temperature movements. I was initially persuaded of this research on the oceans' possible role in previous mass extinctions, but studies since then on the more immediate issues (the likely harm to coral reefs, the effect on some important parts of the food chain, and on the reproductive success of many species) have, by and large, only confirmed scientists' concerns. (There was a surprise earlier this year when one study indicated that at least one type of phytoplankton actually likes increased CO2, but this is no answer to the concerns for the ocean ecology overall.)<BR/><BR/>While there are considerable uncertainties as to how it will play out, there are many scientists who think the coral reefs, at least as they are currently comprised, are doomed within the century due to the pH changes. One would have thought this aspect alone would be worthy of more publicity within Australia. However, it seems to me to be a topic which still only attracts intermittent publicity. Even recently, when Rudd and Wong had a visit to Townsville, they were briefed on the issue of ocean acidity, yet in most news they seem to only talk about increasing temperatures affecting the reef.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you know all of this already, but in any case I like to not miss an opportunity in promoting this, as it does render pretty irrelevant a lot of the sceptics' talk of temperature changes and rainfall patterns. As you say, it is easy for the public that there is little to worry about if they have a couple of cool summers and a flood or two outback. <BR/><BR/>If you need recommendations as to background reading, I'm happy to provide!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04108945551064939734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-31916344456452051742008-09-03T07:49:00.000+10:002008-09-03T07:49:00.000+10:00It is interesting to ask why you make this unsubst...It is interesting to ask why you make this unsubstantiated claim Mel. Is your claim - assuming it has veracity - somehow intended to diminish the case for criticising Labor? <BR/><BR/>They all do it, right?hchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799594181016858701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22031270.post-69245277890637365632008-09-03T00:33:00.000+10:002008-09-03T00:33:00.000+10:00Yes, and I saw Turnbull lie like a whore on the &a...Yes, and I saw Turnbull lie like a whore on the &:30 report tonite as well. They all lie I'm afraid.Cryptandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02308633666277153594noreply@blogger.com